that's romney. we have seen money flowing into that side. that's romney. we have seen him improve his performance in independents and womens. you can call it what you want and the media contends it isn't momentum but i bet the president's campaign is wishing they that that momentum. >> to that point, yes, the obama campaign wishes it had some of that momentum because i tell you what really going on. the president is flatlining. >> i think he hit a ceiling for two reasons. his approval rating hit a ceiling as far back as april. this president has been around 47 or 48% all through the year. there's no lift to the obama presidency, and now that he and romney have come together in both the national and these tight swing state polls you see no lift at all in the obama camp pain, -- campaign. >> here's the argue. they make. he is still ahead in ohio and wisconsin, still ahead in what they call their fire wall. and even if you give romney all the swing states that they think they're going to win -- virginia, north carolina, florida -- that still only gets him to